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LUCKY WINNER - IMO 7045669

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Photographer:
Geir Vinnes [ View profile ]
Captured:
Nov 6, 2010
Title:
Lucky Winner
Location:
Koh Si Chang Transhipment Area, Thailand
Photo Category:
Bulkers Built 1971-1980
Added:
Jan 31, 2011
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3,197
Image Resolution:
3,811 x 2,536

Description:

Lucky Winner
Manager/Owner: Hong Kong Lucky Ocean Shipping, Fuzhou - China.
Built: 1971 Kaldnes A/S, Tønsberg - Norway.
Loa. 165 m. Br. 22 m.
14750 Gt., 22888 Dwt.
10000 Bhp. Sulzer Sulzer 5RND76.
Flag: Panama.
Ex. Baron Belhaven (86), Northern Explorer (90), Flag Marina (94), Everfortune (06), Gang Hai 656 and Tang Shan Hai.
06/11-2010 Koh Si Chang.

Baron Belhaven was built as a bulker in Norway in 1971, she is supposed to have been broken up in China as Flag Marina in 1994 (Imonr. 7045669),
but she is still trading with a new Imonr. 8987670 as Lucky Winner built 1981 in China and the ex. names after 1994 is not listed anymore.
I took some close up photos and could see traces of her ex names.
Here are some photos of her as Baron Belhaven Baron Belhaven.
Baron Belhaven (1).
Baron Belhaven (2).
And one as Flag Marina.

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Current name:
LUCKY WINNER

Former name(s):

 -  Everfortune (Until 2006 Mar)

 -  Seaport 656 (Until 2005 May)

 -  Gang Hai 656 (Until 2000 Jan)

 -  Tang Shan Hai (Until 2000)

 -  Flag Marina (Until 1995)

 -  Northern Explorer (Until 1990 Jan)

 -  Baron Belhaven (Until 1986)

IMO:
7045669
Status:
Dead
Build year:
1971
Builder:
Kaldnes Mekaniske Verksted - Tonsberg, Norway
Vessel Type:
Bulk Carrier
Gross tonnage:
14,750 tons
Summer DWT:
23,310 tons
Photos:
10 photos by 4 photographers

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Knut Helge Schistad

3 photos

Patrick Hill

1 photos

Geir Vinnes

5 photos

René Beauchamp

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Ok, but strange. In our company we have had ships older than that in our company arriving Chinese ports, discharge and then reload(General Cargo). Is this a new rule, or when was it introduced?

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person
The short answer is no. As already stated, IMO numbers should remain unchanged irrespective of what happens. However, misinformation could mean that a new IMO number is unwittingly issued when it should not have been. Ships cannot trade in Chinese waters, even coastwise, beyond 33 years old. Think about that for a minute.

Brgds
Phil

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Hmmm, see what you mean Edmund...I made a comment here 3 years ago suggesting she was declared TCL and then deleted from all lists. But it has been pointed out that she was never a TCL. But could not the same happen if she was sold as scrap? Then all certificates would have been withdrawn/made invalid and stricken from all registers and flags. If she then continue as a "rogue" ship domestically in China for some years, end up in a yard and being somewhat rebuild/re-constructed and then presented as a new ship again? Lot of if and but here...but anyway. The Chiense are pretty inventive. :-)

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The IMO number is given to a ship (Engine Part) and remains with it for ever. The only exception being if you cut a ship in half and add a new engine section to an original bow section. Then it will have a new IMO number. Otherwise it keeps the original IMO number. What we need is some photo's of the other vessel 8987670 under it's names "Tang Shan Hai','Gang Hai 656','Seaport 656' (this appears to be when the problem arises.

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Hi,

Thanks to all of you for your comments.
Gary, I could see traces from both Northern Explorer and Baron Belhaven.
Hope to see her again as Lucky P.

Brgds,
Geir

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person
Hi Geir,

I sailed on the Northern Explorer in 1987 as first trip deck cadet. Obviously this is a long time ago - but she looks very similar and nothing makes me think this is not the same ship. She was a fine ship and had a fine crew back then. You mention that you could see previous names - which ones in particular?

Thanks for posting the photos as they have brought back many happy memories. Gary

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Hello Geir
The old IMO IMO 7045669 - Was reported as broken up 1994 but is still in existence with new IMO number in 2010
Here is your own : http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=1246660

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person
As of 17th Feb, she has been renamed LUCKY P.

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person
Good idea Egil but, as far as I know this ship was never a CTL. Besides, IMO numbers remain unchanged even when ships are rebuilt. This is a very curious state of affairs and I'd love to hear someone from IHS Fairplay give their take on it.
Phil

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Perhaps it's possible with a new IMO number if the vessel have been declared TCL, and therefore have been deleted from all official lists. If then, someone buys the object as a TCL, and rebuild it, it could be re-classed and entered with a new IMO-number. I am not a lawyer, just guessing here. :-)

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person
Hi,

Maybe she was resold from the breakers for domestic trade in Chinese waters in 94, and as usual in China the Imonr.
disappears when ships are trading domestic, then some 10 years later when she goes back to international trade she got herself a new Imo number.
But I dont understand how she suddenly became 10 years younger and built in China.
Thanks for adding the photo Patrick.

Brgds,
Geir

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person
I have added a scan of her as "Flag Marina" at Hull - http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=1246688

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person
Thanks Geir, this is certainly very interesting. As sole administrators of the IMO number issuance, I wonder if IHS Fairplay are aware of this discrepancy?

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person
Sorry about the photo links, I have now added them under the description.
I wish I was able to edit my own comments.

Geir

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Hi Phil,

I saw traces of her ex. names on both the bow and stern,
and looking at photos of her as Baron Belhaven I cant see many differences, she also have the same number and layout on her hatches.
Here are a two more links to photos of Baron Belhaven: Baron Belhaven (1)
and Baron Belhaven (2).

Brgds,
Geir

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person
Geir, are you sure it's totally the same ship? Maybe parts of scrapped vessels were used in her construction, hence the new IMO number?

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person
Hi Christian,

It seems so, I have seen it on Ling Hai (Imonr. 8990328) and Hae Song (Imonr. 9095981) as well. But I guess its not legal.

Brgds,
Geir

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person
Is that even possible, to get a new IMO-number? Sounds almost like som shady business! :-D

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