Hi Capt., Yes, I imagine on the overall front, China is not particularly 'green', but I have little knowledge or experience on that score. My comment was based purely on the ship scrapping perspective.
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Phil

Phil. That,s fine with me, but what I saw from China is specially on the enviromental front dead last. Also when in the whole they improved in some areas. But even with those improvements the record overall is not be one to be proud of for such a country which wants otherwise to be on top of the world. You know what would be all over the news if such conditions in either of those countries mentioned would be in any port of the UK/GER/NL etc or even worst, the US ? That means not that I say now India is good or Turkey , they are all to a certain degree under performing in that area.
I think we can agree on that.
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capt ted

Phil: thanks for the extra info.
Ted: yes, I meant that the Chinese yards are quite good, just like Phil explained. I know that at least one of the scrapyards over there was set up with involvement of Greenpeace!

Capt. Ted. I follow the ship demolition business very closely and I can tell you that (most) Chinese recycling yards are about as 'green' as you are going to get. There is no beaching, but safe demolition in dry-docks. Such yards meet, and in some cases go above and beyond current international recycling regulations, including the Hong Kong recycling convention due to come into force in 2015. Contrast this with Indian beach yards where allegations of mal-practice and even criminality persist.

Ralph,,, is that comment on the chinese scrappers meant that they are enviromental top or botton ? I was in China
a few times, and in some respect they changed , but sure not for the better. If one sticks your finger into the waters of the Yangtze river, you better watch that those very same don,t fall off !!! They however did a lot in the wind energy sector, but on the enviromental front in general is China dead last in the world !!!!

Another reason Turkish breakers are taking more ships is because the price differential between Turkish and Indian Sub-continent yards has narrowed substantially in the past few months. This means that it's more cost-effective for ships operating in Europe/Med/Black Sea to be scrapped in Turkey, rather than incur a costly trip through Suez to India/Pakistan

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Phil

Aliaga has been booming these past few years (as have the Far Eastern scrappers). Aliaga has better "green" credentials than the Far Eastern yard (with the possible exception of the Chinese breakers) and is receiving ships from many blue chip European operators.

Was this pic taken during a "rush hour" at the beach?
Sad and sad how many clients.

The Turkish breakers seem to work a lot faster than their Far Eastern counterparts. ANTHI MARINA was beached on April 3rd, 2012. Almost gone in 3 months.
By the way, sad to see all those young reeferships beached behind her.