GEORG BÜCHNER - IMO 5068863
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|CybersBase on Jul 19, 2013 11:56 (7 years ago)|
|Hi all, I had a look onto http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?201970 and discovered this photo already in the previews. Mouseover says "copyright: Unknown - onbekend - inconnu". That is wrong and denotes, that there the photos are all unallowed shown. Regards, CybersBase|
|Cornelia Klier on Jun 05, 2013 14:29 (7 years ago)|
|seadevil get ready to see the S. Jantzen go to scrap next. The ship has, as I read been in winter without heating therefore there I heard from someone who knows about ship maintainance, lot of destroyed internally. The Type IV Dresden though, is in a very good condition and they do have a well kept museum onboard, worth to visit.|
|Graham Moore on Jun 05, 2013 13:56 (7 years ago)|
|Cornelia's comments about the state of the interior are easy to understand if you look at the way those portholes are seemingly randomly cut into the hull at near waterline level. I'm sure anybody who cared for the ship wouldn't have done it, especially not so badly. I wonder if they may have been a factor contributing to her sinking.|
|mckenzie on Jun 05, 2013 13:10 (7 years ago)|
When I see all the comments in the papers about the sinking of the Georg Buchner, it seems there happend very strange and suspicious things.
It's sad se sunk, I hope that se will be recoverd and can come home to Antwerp where se belongs!
|Ostseefoto on May 30, 2013 23:20 (7 years ago)|
|If we are not careful now and checking the fingers of the Rostock City Governemt, they will send also the rest of the museums ships like STEFAN JANZEN, 1.MAI, CAPELLA, LIKEDEELER as well as DRESDEN (Traditionsschiff Typ IV) zu scrapping!|
|Cornelia Klier on May 30, 2013 07:04 (7 years ago)|
Clive, I have been onboard this ship as a guest on the youth hostel so I know what I talk about. I found it also very sad, that they have torn out almost all original interiors and instead put in cheapest possible ordinary furniture, also the works have not been done very carefully. The staff was very unfriendly, a friend who wanted to help me with luggage was almost not let onboard. He was interested in ships and would also have liked to walk on deck and look around. If you run a museumship like this, is it a surprise it does not work ?
The mentioned Traditionsschiff instead, was years before G.B. used as a youth hostel too and I stayed there with my sister. This one instead, was kept very well, they are taking good care of the original interior, and the staff was welcoming, and they introduced the ship, showing pride and were open for questions, too. So, what is the problem then with my comment ?
|Clive Harvey on May 29, 2013 22:38 (7 years ago)|
|Robert, you don't have to explain the economics of ship restoration to me, I well aware of them along with the associated pitfalls. I just found Cornelia's statement regarding the state of the ship and the unfriendly staff somewhat dismissive of the ship itself, as though those aspects were justification enough for its disposal.|
|Tomas Ĝstberg- Jacobsen on May 29, 2013 21:35 (7 years ago)|
Still a very sad sight...
Bye bye old girl
|Robert Smith on May 29, 2013 21:24 (7 years ago)|
|Clive, I'll put it into perspective for you. To restore a 1950-ies built passengership will cost you so much money these days that's almost impossible to do. Remember the "Rotterdam" cost 300 mln. euros and it took 8 years to save her. It would be foolish to think you'd save her just on the basis of a lot of enthusiasm. You need proper business plans, financing and a lot of cooperation by the authorities. Having said so, I'm sorry to see her go...|
|Clive Harvey on May 29, 2013 21:16 (7 years ago)|
|Thanks Cornelia for putting the disposal of the Georg Buchner into perspective: "scruffy and totally unfriendly staff". So, this justifies her disposal to the breakers?|
|Cornelia Klier on May 29, 2013 19:52 (7 years ago)|
|Here is a photo of the other museumship still remaining in Rostock. It is very well taken care of and a visit onboard is really worth it. Perhaps, we will see this one in place of Georg Büchner's berth soon ? http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=1695505|
|Malim Sahib on May 29, 2013 19:28 (7 years ago)|
|So very sad that the old girl has gone to scrap, especially after lasting so long. Another real ship bites the dust.|
|Cornelia Klier on May 29, 2013 18:31 (7 years ago)|
|Petros, the ship is internally a rustbucket and they have torn out most of the original interiors as well, to be honest, I think they should be happy it is gone, and instead take good care of the very well kept Traditionsschiff Typ Frieden which is now at a place that is not easy to get access to. http://www.ostsee.de/rostock/traditionsschiff.html I have spent time onboard Georg Büchner when it was youth hostel and it was very scruffy and totally unfriendly staff.|
|Petros Psarras on May 29, 2013 17:13 (7 years ago)|
|Why don't some one buy her for a museum?|
|Jens Boldt on May 29, 2013 16:47 (7 years ago)|
Excellent photo, Jörn, and a historic one! Sad to see see her go...
|Jörn Prestien on May 29, 2013 07:45 (7 years ago)|
Thanks, Clive, for your kind comment.
Sad, and the end of a long and fishy history of this ex-CHARLEVILLE.
|Clive Harvey on May 29, 2013 07:02 (7 years ago)|
|A sad but very beautiful photo. All one needs is a little 'smoke' from her funnel and one could believe that she is off on yet another voyage.|
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