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Photo Details
Photographer:Wolfgang Fricke [View profile]Title:Queen ElizabethAdded:Oct 30, 2020
Location:Southampton, United Kingdom
Photo Category: Holding for final decision
Length over all 314.2 m; breadth 36.2 m; 2,150 cabins (1960);
built 1940 by John Brown & Co., Clydebank / UK, for Cunard White Star Line, Liverpool / UK; 1970 sold to Seawise Foundations, Nassau, and renamed SEAWISE UNIVERSITY; 1972 destroyed by fire and broken up in the following years;
photo taken in summer 1967; scanned from negative film;

[not an overview - and too much cut off ship - DA]
Vessel Identification
Name:Seawise University
Former name(s):
- Queen Elizabeth (Until 1971 Feb)
Technical Data
Vessel type:Passenger/cargo Ship
Gross tonnage:82,998 tons
Summer DWT:15,405 tons

Additional Information
Build year:1940
AIS Information
AIS information: N/A
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Photo Comments (16)

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jaybird25 on Nov 04, 2020 01:34 (20 days ago)
i agree with (tony martin ) i was not even born then i am 51 now, it's great to see old magnificent vessel's like this i have always had from been a young boy a great interest in ship's i have load's of book's i am on this site every day it's what i like to do ? especially in lockdown ?? as a boy my mum &dad would take me & my sister from fleetwood to the isle of mann on ferries /the lady of mann / was one definitely , i can't remember the other's tiny to this vessel though ( Queen Elizabeth )
Emmanuel.L on Nov 01, 2020 07:11 (23 days ago)
Keep it under "for preservation" category.It is a photo which cannot be taken again in any port ever.Some scenes cannot be replicated, ports have changed, ships long scrapped etc.
davidships on Oct 31, 2020 21:24 (23 days ago)
Thank you for these comments. We do our best to apply the guidance as it is now. However, I am happy to have another try to develop a clearer view on what is appropriate or not for the Harbour Overview category. Last time we reviewed this, in 2015, only two members expressed any views at all. However, here is not the place to have that conversation as it is not primarily about this image in particular. So I have re-opened the consultation here:,14461.0.html

Please contribute specific proposals only there (no more comments here please). I have moved this photo to "Holding..." so that it will only be reconsidered in the light of any changes to the guidance.

Thanks for your patience, Wolfgang.

Robert West on Oct 31, 2020 13:53 (24 days ago)
Seriously why would that photograph be considered for deletion. That view is an insight into a time long gone and should be kept as such. If the moderators are looking for quality, maybe they should start deleting the multiple views of the same vessel from the same angle by the same photographers which are mostly posted at the same time.
ChasB46 on Oct 31, 2020 11:59 (24 days ago)
Those were the days when you could just walk into the port and wander round as a child. No parents needed. Spent many weekends +camera+cycle in Southampton and London Docks.
Wolfgang Fricke on Oct 31, 2020 11:12 (24 days ago)
I really had to take care, Cisco, because I was a young schoolboy spending holidays on my own in Bournemouth to improve my English. Knowing the schedule of Cunard liners I made a day tour to Southampton to see the largest passenger liner of the world arriving - what an adventure and magnificent view!
Cisco on Oct 31, 2020 10:31 (24 days ago)
Wolfgang... if you had a camera like mine in 1967... I had a Voigtländer ... any attempt to get the whole ship in would have resulted in you falling in the water!
Brilliant photo.
Shaun Thomas Smith-Milne on Oct 31, 2020 10:28 (24 days ago)
Most members would agree that quayside images can be rather charming...
supersante on Oct 31, 2020 08:52 (24 days ago)
As a photographer, with an interest in ships, I would consider deletion of images like this to be a gross error of judgement. There should be a category for images like this.
Wolfgang Fricke on Oct 31, 2020 08:34 (24 days ago)
I was afraid that it could be deleted (although other photos show only part of ships like:; therefore 'port overview' was chosen. Due to the view, not showing the whole ship, the huge size of the largest ship in the world in those days is underlined by the relation to the (also large) ocean terminal. Such a view should be within the scope of because the ship is still the main subject and it is a pleasure to view it - as the comments show.
Tony Martin on Oct 31, 2020 05:49 (24 days ago)
Cisco, same with me I have many photos from both my father and Grandfather taken during the Wars. Unfortunately I cannot post for the fear they would be deleted.
Cisco on Oct 31, 2020 05:37 (24 days ago)
Tony, I couldn't agree more. I have quite a few photos that have been handed down to me by my father... not 'quality' but certainly of 'historical significance' ... such as photos taken aboard Stanvac Japan after the explosion in the Arabian Sea in 1958 and the rescue of troops from the stranded 'Wahine' in 1951.
Tony Martin on Oct 31, 2020 05:16 (24 days ago)
Its a shame there is not a category for quality photographs such as this. Captures the atmosphere of the 50's and 60's.
tonyrob on Oct 31, 2020 04:31 (24 days ago)
"considered for deletion" good grief.....what a superb, evocative picture.
Cisco on Oct 31, 2020 04:17 (24 days ago)
What a magnificent overview of the Ocean Terminal in its heyday..... late 50's or early 60's by the look of the cars.
brian e cole on Oct 31, 2020 02:57 (24 days ago)
Honestly DA, how you can criticise a great photo as this is beyond me.
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