Looking up the link on the SEAGULL II as provided by Phil English, it once again brought back memories of our friend Jadran who died in June last year at age 68 years, sadly missed by everyone, a true gentleman ,a friend whom I found on this site but sadly we never met,Goodbye dear friend,I hope you have a better view up there than from your balcony over the Adriatic.
regards to all his friends wherever they are.
Emmanuel.L.(Malta)

Ok Jadran will comply,what are your preferences, sail or engine power,food diet , vegetarian etc and crew male or female (if we choose the later state your preference burial at sea or cremation ) he ..he.. everyone invited, that is to our funeral.
regards.

:-) Hi again Emmanuel, it's me!
The life is rather long but things happen in a short time!
Let's see/Jadran

PS
Can you maybe approach an Owner of a suitable yacht of length about 41 mtrs (can be also a luxury mega yacht of a bigger length ... would be even more preferred) that is presently moored on the yacht anchorage under the Fort St. Angel, and ask the Owner of the yacht to make us a favour ... only for a 45 days cruise next summer, up and down the Adriatic.
We shall return to him with all our gratitude, certainly, without any doubt!

Hi Jadran,
I think you and me have the same problem we daydream vividly.But seriously it would be great,but health, age and expenses etc. prevents our dream to turn to reality.
Just pray that some multi-millionaire is reading these comments and invites us to cruise the Adriatic on his luxurious mega yacht (Now that's a dream,can you beat that Jadran? )
regards.

I agree Anton,
It should be at least the very best and enjoyable that You, Emmanuel and me together hire a 'cruiser boat' next summer and visit Termoli and the Tremiti Islands on the Italian Adriatic coast and then continue the cruise along the coast and islands of the Croatian Adriatic.
Honestly, I would hardly wait for such an unforgettable opportunity and experience/Jadran

Anton , just by the way,
The ship I saw in 1997 that was going out of Genoa, was not Patrizia ex Novi Sad, in any way. That ship I saw was one of the 6 off 'poet class', only could not be it, if I had a day dream.
NOVI SAD was one of the 4 sisters of the so called class 'cities'(Novi Sad, Osijek, Maribor, Mostar).
I especially know and remember NOVI SAD, because I made a three and a half (3,5 ) day trip (total 84 hours) with her as a passenger, from the North coast to very South coast of ex Yugoslavia, in 1962, being a 12 year kid, and I was accommodated in the Captain's cabin together with the Captain, thanks to my father and his good relations with Jadrolinija managers and the Captain of the ship.
Our destination were the ports: Rijeka - Rab - Zadar - Šibenik - Split - Korčula - Dubrovnik - and all the way south - Bar - Ulcinj; the return trip was vice-versa (maybe I forgot to mention/remember some other port(s) on the itinerary).

Hi Jadran,
I doubt it, because the Kosta Racin had an engine breakdown in 1996 and never returned to service. Her main deck was plated in by her Italian owners, and this made her less recognizibla as one of the six "old poets". So my guess is that you saw the Patrizia, also in active service in the Gulf of Naples at the time. Patrizia is the ex-Novi Sad, one of Jadrolinija's series of four somewhat larger newbuildings (1955). Fortunately she is still with us. There is a good picture of her here on Shipspotting:
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=725503 .
Summer of 2012 she performed day trips from Termoli to the Tremiti Islands, so we all should go there next year and picture her!
All the best, Anton

Anton & Emmanuel,
I saw one of the 6 sisters from my window of a seaside hotel, located at the Genoa Port NW side by the airport, in June 1997 definitely, and she was in regular service enroute to some port(s) in the SW direction from Genoa.
I did not see the name of the ship, but now I assume that it could have been ex Kosta Racin, because the dates of that time, and her history events almost match.
I am sure that I have seen the "boat", but I can not be quite sure to guarantee for ex Kosta Racin.
Best regards/Jadran

Jadrolinija’s building programme 1950 - 1965

The Vladimir Nazor was Jadrolinija’s first newbuilding.

Delivered 1952: three 430 grt, 800 passenger ships.
Brodograđevna Industrija Uljanik, Pula, yard numbers 138-140.

Vladimir Nazor IMO 5382996. 1972 sold Yugoslavia (Kvarner Express). 1986 Poreč. 1988 sold Yugoslavia (Brodogradilište Cres). 2001 sold Croatia (Pegaz Trade), Biser Jadrana. 2003 sold Croatia (undisclosed owners), Seagull I. 2004/05 rebuilt, de-luxe cruise yacht. 2007 Seagull II.
Njegoš IMO 5254125. 1980 renamed Plavnik. 1987 sold for scrap.
Vuk Karadžić 5383988. 1988 sold for scrap.


Delivered 1953/54: three 425 grt, 800 passenger ships.
Brodograđevna Industrija Uljanik, Pula, yard numbers 141-143.

Ivan Cankar IMO 5165788. 1973 sold Italy (three subsequent owners), Campania Prima. Broken up 1987.
Aleksa Šantić IMO 5009764. 1964 rebuilt as cruise yacht. 1971 sold Italy (three subsequent owners), Epomeo Primo. Broken up 1983.
Kosta Racin IMO 5194856. 1973 sold Italy (three subsequent owners), Campania Seconda. Laid up 1996. Broken up 2008.

More is here: http://www.fleetfilerotterdam.nl/index_jadrolinijafeat3_eng.htm

Hi Anton, that website is very informative and I recommend it to others.Thanks once again.

Hi Anton, that website is very informative and I recommend it to others.Thanks once again.

Hi Emmanuel. I can recommend this website, where your quistions will be answered: http://www.fleetfilerotterdam.nl/index_jadrolinijafeat2_eng.htm Regards, Anton

Hi Anton ,these class of ships have very beautiful classic lines no wonder the VLADIMIR NAZOR has been converted to a yacht, have others to the same design been built and if so what happened to them?

Hi guys,

This picture of a sister ship may be of interest:
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=685080

And this is a link to my portfolio with more ships from old Yugoslavia and Croatia: http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/search.php?search_uid=16772

Regards, Anton

Hi guys,

This picture of a sister ship may be of interest:



And this is a link to my portfolio with more ships from old Yugoslavia and Croatia:

[url=http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/search.php?search_uid=16772[/url]

Regards, Anton

Hi Jadran and Anton from what I have heard from my friends who have visited that coast it is simply great,a heaven for photographers and ship spotters in particular.If I have the opportunity to go on another cruise I would choose one one the wonderful Adriatic coast.

Good day Mr. Anton Heuff,
Thank you very much for your kind words and for understanding the essence of the issue under this subject.
I am really glad and very happy that you were down the coast of Croatia and that you still remember very well the names of the bigger and/or smaller Ports there.
You are certainly always very welcome to come and visit the Croatian coast again, and this is the opportunity and reason that you might start to plan your next summer holidays already now.
Respectfully submitted/Jadran

Hi Jadran,
The meaning of ferry as I use it is perhaps, as they say, "lost in translation". I don't mean to say that Vladimir Nazor and the other "old poets" were a trajekt (in Croatian), or that they are NOT passenger ships. In my notes concerning the Vladimir Nazor I wrote a long time ago: Twin screw passenger ship. But when I boarded the Njegoš long, long, long time ago, this was my ferry to Brač (A was Split, B was Sumartin or perhaps Bol, and in between my boat called at Supetar, Splitska and Postira before I reached my destination, Pučišća).
Regards, Anton

Hi Jadran .now knowing your background I will appreciate more your comments re ships and my pics in particular.My interest in shipping started , being the son of a Royal Navy person and also my grandpa used to take me at the early age of 5 aboard when he was in Malta on RFA ships.Then I was an apprentice electrician, then a technical writer at the local dockyard and having spent 43 years there I am now the the age of 67 finding more time to pursue my hobby as much as my health lets me.

Not to mention that at all Emmanuel ... you are welcome!

I started closely, with all my interest, to follow-up ships from 3 year age after I was born (as much as could have been possibly allowed with such a small age and perception; I traveled over the Atlantic on MV "MAKEDONIJA" from New York to Rijeka in 1953).
I know very well all the Jadrolinija ships and also the other ex Yugoslav ships.
I traveled often as a passenger on most of the Jadrolinija ships. I also sailed (3x) on ocean going cargo ships (North Europe & Nort America) as apprentice crew member onboard Pobjeda, Zvir & Goran Kovacic (total 173 days of navigation in my seaman book).
I never became a seaman; I joined the Technical University - Shipbuilding and my profession is Naval Architect.

I very much appreciate the often exchange of communication & comments with you Emmanuel; remaining with the very best regards/Jadran

Wow Jadran, that explanation merits an applause,How is it you are very knowledgable on this particular vessel,did you form part of her crew or what?Thanks Jadran much appreciated your very comprehensive info. Regards.

Submariner, thank you for your well comment, much appreciated! Brgds/Jadran

Jadran, I believe that after your excellent explanation there is no need for further discussions on status of VLADIMIR NAZOR! Brgds

Good day Anton,
Just an additional fulfillment & clarification for your consideration.
When Vladimir Nazor was in passenger service (only passengers) for Jadrolinija,Rijeka her voyage consisted of the ports itinerary A ... + AB1 + AB2 + AB3 + AB4 ..... then finally reaching the port B.
During bad weather, she would even shelter and remain overnight at an intermediate port eg. AB4...and afterwards would continue her voyage towards port B.
She was also in passenger service on different routes i.e. lines: one line 25 NM, another line 50 NM and another line even 120 NM.
Anton, considering all the above mentioned, I still think that it is very appropriate for her to be a 'passenger ship', not at all a 'ferry'.
Kind regards/Jadran

Hello all,

Let me say in the first place that I am happy with every picture on Shipspotting or elsewhere wich confirms the existence of this wonderful ship. And sorry for causing confusion, but is a small passenger ship connecting A and B not a ferry? There were ferries long before the advent of the motor car. More important to clarify is the suggestion that a vessel would be assigned a new, different IMO number when it is classified in a different category of ships. No, this will not happen. The idea of the IMO number is that it will never change. Even when ships are wrecked or partically demolished and from the useful parts a new ship is constructed, the IMO number lives on. The new ship will take the IMO number of the ship of which the section with the engines is used.
I understand the confusion which Equasis causes when you look up IMO 5382996 and the database says: No ship has been found with your criteria. At an earlier date Equasis said: Status of ship: Dead. This misleading information can be explained by the fact that the ship is no longer classed by Croatian Register of Shipping or any other classification society, so that changes of ownership and renamings are no longer communicated to Lloyd’s Register. I think, this underscores the importance of pictures on Shipspotting so we can follow the course of life of certain ships. When the Seagull I was renamed Seagull II in 2007, I only became aware of this through a new photo by a fellow-shipspotter!

Pozdrav, Anton

For more info and pictures go to http://www.fleetfilerotterdam.nl/indexvlad52_txt_eng.htm .

Hi Jadran, from your comments you are very knowledgable of her old haunts of the former Yugoslavian ports.From what I have heard from friends visiting those sites on the Adriatic islands and harbours they are very beautiful and worth seeing.

Hi everyone,Jadran,DavidshipsSubmariner and Anton Hueff and anyone who cares to add to info on this grand classical motoryacht gracing our harbours and waters.So now for the million dollar question, is she still using her original Imo.5382996 as she now classified as a pleasure craft i.e. motor yacht.?
I am inserting this Imo number to her picture, hope Administration comes out with a solution.

Davidships, hello,
this ship was originally on passenger (no cars) daily service-lines carrying passengers from Rijeka to island Rab (25 NM) or Rijeka to island Losinj (50 NM) or it was even sailing south all the way down coast to Split (120 NM).
During each voyage she also visited/serviced numerous small ports enroute ... therefore, in final, it is for her appropriate to be a passenger ship on coastal service, not a ferry in any case!
Regards/Jadran

Sorry, Jadran, but "plain passenger ship for coastal local connections" = ferry, provided she operated a schedule.

Hi again Emmanuel, it's me!
Everything that submariner herewith said is in absolute well order. I just add my conclusion about this ship & your excellent photo herewith provided.
The VLADIMIR NAZOR on this photo was definitely built 1952 at shipyard "Uljanik",Pula, Yugoslavia (today Croatia) and her first given name was Vladimir Nazor (she is not the other Vladimir Nazor built in 1986, what is a completely different ship!).
Their were total six (6) ships built of this class passenger ship, all in early 50s: Vladimir Nazor, Vuk Karadzic, Ivan Cankar, Kosta Racin, Aleksa Santic & Njegos.
Very best regards/Jadran

Emmanuel, certainly she is IMO 5382996, originaly built in Yugoslavia in 1952. There are 30 photos of her on Shipspotting under names VLADIMIR NAZOR, POREC, BISER JADRANA, SEAGULL I, SEAGULL 1 and SEAGULL 2. Confusion started when Anton Heuff called her ferry and Jadran replied she was a plain passenger ship. Indeed, she was not ferry. Ferry VLADIMIR NAZOR was built in 1986. Brgds

Hi Jadran and Anton, Is she positively the VLADIMIR NAZOR built in 1952 in former Yugoslavia? And is she warrants her using the Imo.5382996 ?
Can Adminstration offer any help or anyone out there?
Thanks and regards.(reposted comment because parts were missing when sent.Sorry)

Nton she positively is the VLADIMIR NAZOR built in 1952 in former Yugoslavia? And is she warrants her using the Imo.5382996 ?
Can Adminstration offer any help or anyone out there?
Thanks and regards.

Ex VLADIMIR NAZOR
Sorry Anton, during service for Jadrolinija, Rijeka, this ship was only a plain passenger ship for coastal local connections, nothing else. But a wonderful small ship she was & still is!
I traveled in that time onboard her many times from Rijeka to nearby islands, I think the last time was in 1982 (she was then having the name POREC and was in touristic service for the tourist agency Kvarner Express, Rijeka/Opatija).

This is the former ferry Vladimir Nazor, built 1952 in Yugoslavia for Jadrolinija. IMO number is 5382996.